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		<title>By: pedro7of9</title>
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		<dc:creator>pedro7of9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 20:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have a pickup truck..i carry hay..gravel,,feed,,fencing...its 4 wd...if and when they have something affordable and as useful ill stick with what works..so for now....NO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have a pickup truck..i carry hay..gravel,,feed,,fencing&#8230;its 4 wd&#8230;if and when they have something affordable and as useful ill stick with what works..so for now&#8230;.NO</p>
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		<title>By: momof7</title>
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		<dc:creator>momof7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 20:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>only if he buys me one, they cost to much</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>only if he buys me one, they cost to much</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Burns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Burns</dc:creator>
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		<description>If I like the car and the price is good, sure.  If I don&#039;t like them or they cost too much, absolutely not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I like the car and the price is good, sure.  If I don&#8217;t like them or they cost too much, absolutely not.</p>
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		<title>By: joecool123_us</title>
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		<dc:creator>joecool123_us</dc:creator>
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		<description>Who ever said that the kinds of vehicles used by &quot;farmers, trades people, and people with large families and a dog&quot; can&#039;t be eco friendly?

Heavy trucks, already often are run on diesel, which means they could just as easily run on bio diesel.
Electric motors have higher torque, which means they would be perfect for heavy lifting trucks. They are already used in trains, and in experimental semis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who ever said that the kinds of vehicles used by &quot;farmers, trades people, and people with large families and a dog&quot; can&#8217;t be eco friendly?</p>
<p>Heavy trucks, already often are run on diesel, which means they could just as easily run on bio diesel.<br />
Electric motors have higher torque, which means they would be perfect for heavy lifting trucks. They are already used in trains, and in experimental semis.</p>
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		<title>By: player</title>
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		<dc:creator>player</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 20:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should drive more economic cars already! The eco friendly cars will have both a financial and an environmental benefit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should drive more economic cars already! The eco friendly cars will have both a financial and an environmental benefit!</p>
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		<title>By: Flag-Waving American Patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flag-Waving American Patriot</dc:creator>
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		<description>No.  I will keep driving my Ford pickup, keep using my 70-year-old diesel farm tractors, and keep my running my enviromentally-unfriendly farm equipment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No.  I will keep driving my Ford pickup, keep using my 70-year-old diesel farm tractors, and keep my running my enviromentally-unfriendly farm equipment!</p>
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		<title>By: Tomsriv</title>
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		<description>As much as I like Obama I think he is totally wrong on this one.  I will keep driving my low-emission vehicle SUV, and my classic muscle cars.  I won&#039;t buy a car unless it has rear wheel drive, so unless they make a hybrid with RWD I won&#039;t even consider one.  

If they made a hybrid V8 RWD sedan I would buy it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as I like Obama I think he is totally wrong on this one.  I will keep driving my low-emission vehicle SUV, and my classic muscle cars.  I won&#8217;t buy a car unless it has rear wheel drive, so unless they make a hybrid with RWD I won&#8217;t even consider one.  </p>
<p>If they made a hybrid V8 RWD sedan I would buy it.</p>
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		<title>By: mrvadeboncoeur</title>
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		<description>Shouldn&#039;t you be asking about the &quot;cars Bush wants us to drive?&quot; since the 35mpg CAFE requirement was signed into law by Bush.

The new fuel economy standards are part of H.R. 6, the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, signed by President Bush on Wed. Dec. 19, 2007.
Bill H.R. 6 information: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:6:./list/bss/d110HR.lst::&#124;TOM:/bss/110search.html&#124;
The fuel economy portion is also called the &quot;Ten in Ten Fuel Economy Act.&quot;
Basically, beginning with the 2011 model year, the Sec. of Transportation (with input from the Sec. of Energy and the Administrator of the EPA) shall start moving the CAFE standard up annually, until in model year 2020 it is at or over 35mpg. The law doesn&#039;t state by how much it has to increase annually, just that it increases until 2020.

President Obama has just asked the US EPA and DOT to accelerate the existing 35mpg CAFE Bush mandate&#039;s date of 2020 up to 2016.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/President-Obama-Announces-National-Fuel-Efficiency-Policy/

Previous to the 2007 law, the last time that Congress set the fuel economy standards, was back in 1975 (when Ford was president), so moving the bar up from 25mpg for cars (27.5mpg fleet) to 35mpg after 32 years shouldn&#039;t be much of a problem.

Remember that the MPG listed on the Monroney label (window sticker, also listed at http://www.fueleconomy.gov/) isn&#039;t the fuel economy numbers used for the CAFE standards. CAFE uses the raw fuel economy numbers from the laboratory dynometer tests, but consumers only see the downward multiplied numbers to account for more &quot;realistic driving.&quot;

The CAFE standards are based on the city/highway average of the raw laboratory data, multiplied by the vehicle sales. The devaluation for the sticker/fuel economy label has no effect on the CAFE average. The more sales of a high-MPG vehicle, the more that&#039;ll balance out sales of a low-MPG vehicle... So production numbers will probably change to include more of the fuel efficient vehicles to outweigh the sales of the less fuel efficient ones. Just like how manufacturers currently can sell vehicles that are less than the 25mpg fleet average so long as you have others to balance you out, the change to 35mpg doesn&#039;t mean that all vehicles will have to be over 35mpg... Nothing about cars getting smaller or lighter or adding hybrid systems, but more about changing the mix of what is sold.  Nothing about the existing cars prior to the 2011 model year.

Heavy trucks/work vehicles are not affected - vehicles with GVWR over 8,500 pounds (like your Chevy Suburban) aren&#039;t tested for fuel economy.  http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/which_tested.shtml  Farm equipment was never tested for fuel economy.

For an example, let&#039;s take the 2008 Toyota Highlander and the 2008 Dodge Viper Coupe.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2008_Toyota_Highlander.shtml
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2008_Dodge_Viper.shtml
lists for consumers:
TH 2WD: 18mpg city/24mpg highway
TH 4WD: 17mpg city/23mpg highway
TH Hybrid 4WD: 27mpg city/25mpg highway
DV Coupe: 13mpg city/22mpg highway

but using the 2008 raw data, which the CAFE standards are based on:
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/cert/mpg/testcars/database/08tstcar.csv
TH 2WD: 22.1mpg city/33.1mpg highway
TH 4WD: 21.2mpg city/31.3mpg highway
TH Hybrid 4WD: 35.3mpg city/35.2mpg highway
DV Coupe: 15.6mpg city/30mpg highway

You can view the raw EPA test data for various years, and an explanation of the columns, here: http://www.epa.gov/otaq/tcldata.htm

Oh, and BTW: Lexus does have the RWD V6 GS hybrid, and also the AWD V8 LS hybrid.  There are also hybrid versions of the Escalade, Tahoe, Durango, and Yukon large SUVs, and the Silverado and Sierra pickups.  There are hybrids across nearly all market segments now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shouldn&#8217;t you be asking about the &quot;cars Bush wants us to drive?&quot; since the 35mpg CAFE requirement was signed into law by Bush.</p>
<p>The new fuel economy standards are part of H.R. 6, the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, signed by President Bush on Wed. Dec. 19, 2007.<br />
Bill H.R. 6 information: <a href="http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:6:./list/bss/d110HR.lst::">http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/.....10HR.lst::</a>|TOM:/bss/110search.html|<br />
The fuel economy portion is also called the &quot;Ten in Ten Fuel Economy Act.&quot;<br />
Basically, beginning with the 2011 model year, the Sec. of Transportation (with input from the Sec. of Energy and the Administrator of the EPA) shall start moving the CAFE standard up annually, until in model year 2020 it is at or over 35mpg. The law doesn&#8217;t state by how much it has to increase annually, just that it increases until 2020.</p>
<p>President Obama has just asked the US EPA and DOT to accelerate the existing 35mpg CAFE Bush mandate&#8217;s date of 2020 up to 2016.<br />
<a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/President-Obama-Announces-National-Fuel-Efficiency-Policy/">http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_.....cy-Policy/</a></p>
<p>Previous to the 2007 law, the last time that Congress set the fuel economy standards, was back in 1975 (when Ford was president), so moving the bar up from 25mpg for cars (27.5mpg fleet) to 35mpg after 32 years shouldn&#8217;t be much of a problem.</p>
<p>Remember that the MPG listed on the Monroney label (window sticker, also listed at <a href="http://www.fueleconomy.gov/)">http://www.fueleconomy.gov/)</a> isn&#8217;t the fuel economy numbers used for the CAFE standards. CAFE uses the raw fuel economy numbers from the laboratory dynometer tests, but consumers only see the downward multiplied numbers to account for more &quot;realistic driving.&quot;</p>
<p>The CAFE standards are based on the city/highway average of the raw laboratory data, multiplied by the vehicle sales. The devaluation for the sticker/fuel economy label has no effect on the CAFE average. The more sales of a high-MPG vehicle, the more that&#8217;ll balance out sales of a low-MPG vehicle&#8230; So production numbers will probably change to include more of the fuel efficient vehicles to outweigh the sales of the less fuel efficient ones. Just like how manufacturers currently can sell vehicles that are less than the 25mpg fleet average so long as you have others to balance you out, the change to 35mpg doesn&#8217;t mean that all vehicles will have to be over 35mpg&#8230; Nothing about cars getting smaller or lighter or adding hybrid systems, but more about changing the mix of what is sold.  Nothing about the existing cars prior to the 2011 model year.</p>
<p>Heavy trucks/work vehicles are not affected &#8211; vehicles with GVWR over 8,500 pounds (like your Chevy Suburban) aren&#8217;t tested for fuel economy.  <a href="http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/which_tested.shtml">http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/which_tested.shtml</a>  Farm equipment was never tested for fuel economy.</p>
<p>For an example, let&#8217;s take the 2008 Toyota Highlander and the 2008 Dodge Viper Coupe.<br />
<a href="http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2008_Toyota_Highlander.shtml">http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg.....nder.shtml</a><br />
<a href="http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2008_Dodge_Viper.shtml">http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg.....iper.shtml</a><br />
lists for consumers:<br />
TH 2WD: 18mpg city/24mpg highway<br />
TH 4WD: 17mpg city/23mpg highway<br />
TH Hybrid 4WD: 27mpg city/25mpg highway<br />
DV Coupe: 13mpg city/22mpg highway</p>
<p>but using the 2008 raw data, which the CAFE standards are based on:<br />
<a href="http://www.epa.gov/otaq/cert/mpg/testcars/database/08tstcar.csv">http://www.epa.gov/otaq/cert/m.....tstcar.csv</a><br />
TH 2WD: 22.1mpg city/33.1mpg highway<br />
TH 4WD: 21.2mpg city/31.3mpg highway<br />
TH Hybrid 4WD: 35.3mpg city/35.2mpg highway<br />
DV Coupe: 15.6mpg city/30mpg highway</p>
<p>You can view the raw EPA test data for various years, and an explanation of the columns, here: <a href="http://www.epa.gov/otaq/tcldata.htm">http://www.epa.gov/otaq/tcldata.htm</a></p>
<p>Oh, and BTW: Lexus does have the RWD V6 GS hybrid, and also the AWD V8 LS hybrid.  There are also hybrid versions of the Escalade, Tahoe, Durango, and Yukon large SUVs, and the Silverado and Sierra pickups.  There are hybrids across nearly all market segments now.</p>
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		<title>By: Frankie Coletta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frankie Coletta</dc:creator>
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		<description>NO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NO.</p>
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